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1952-1954
Korean War
October 14, 2012

Jackson Sams: Today is October the 14th and we are interviewing Sam McNeill in his home in
Candor North Carolina. Sam can you...Sorry this is for a history class at Appalachian State
University and my name is Jackson Sams. Sam can you go ahead and tell me your birth date?
McNeill: 7-11-31
Jackson Sams: Ok and other people attending are Coy McNeill, Sam's son and my stepfather.
Sam can you go ahead and tell me the war and branch you served in.
McNeill: I served in the army in Korea and I was in the quarter master. I was in the service
center there, service center number two. We serviced textile goods for the second and third
division and the fifth regimental combat team, and I believe there’s some other Ethiopian outfit
there as well as a Turkish outfit there that we issued supplies to. like I said it was a quarter
masters center textile mostly clothing, armored vests, tents, cots, things like that soldiers used
over in Korea and if item brought in could be repaired we repaired it like clothing or armored
vest or whatever if it couldn’t be repaired we issue them a new one. a new whatever and also
showers there where loads of soldiers would come in from the line and they would shower and
they had new they issue them new clothes there they leave there’s and issue them clean clothes
to leave in and they'd do that every so often and we had in our compound we had a tailor shop an
armor vest shop, tent shop, they had stove shop to repair or issue new stove small or large ones
and machines shop to repair anything that the machine shop could repair, small items. and there i
stayed there for 16 months took a break and went to Japan take a weekend sometimes and go
down to Seoul or Dong Won Po, where our headquarters was.
Sams: Ok
McNeill: and (...) what was pretty much it for 16 months
Sams: Wow that seems like quite a job. Do you remember your rank while you while you were
in Korea?
McNeill: I was a corporal
Sams: A corporal ok
McNeill: yeah
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�Sams: And now what was where was the exact place you served?
McNeill: Its right at the center of right back of the 38th parallel we had a service center to the
left of us number one we were number 2 in the center and there was another number three over
on the mountainous side (...) where you have the Sea of Japan coming in over there and that seas
between I guess that’s what you call the sea between Korea and Japan.
Sams: Ok, now when you were in Korea, I know Coy has told me stories but can you tell me
exactly why you went were you enlisted or did you join yourself?
McNeill: I was drafted.
Sams: So you were drafted?
McNeill: I was drafted, I didn’t join, no.
Sams: ok
McNeill: I went in in the fall of 52' and got out of in the fall of 54' and (...) seemed like a more
than 16 months but that’s what it was over there not counting going coming. (...)
Sams: Now while you when you were drafted where were you living at the time?
McNeill: In Moore County in Eagle Springs in Moore County [North Carolina]. And I went to
Raleigh to be examined when I was called I was called back to Raleigh again. You want me to
keep on talking?
Sams: Sure as much as you want
McNeill: went from Raleigh to Fort Jackson, South Carolina, stayed there a week while they
outfitted us with clothes. Then sent us up highway number one again on up through Raleigh to
Virginia we did a train and and (...) I’m having a blank...
Sams: That’s ok take your time
McNeill: thought I never would. Fort Lee, Virginia which is near, back this side of Richmond
right out from what is that town there... can’t pull it out.
Sams: Its fine you don’t...
McNeill: anyway its Fort Lee, Virginia we stayed there. We took basic and I don’t remember
exactly how many weeks but after basic training we stayed there and just moved on over to the
quarter master school... were we I was in the class studying textile repair. It was just a class room
filled with desks and sewing machines we learned to use the sewing machine to repair shirts and
pants things of that nature and (...) when I got to Korea I didn’t do any of that they had Koreans
civilians to do the repair work. I was just shop foreman I was over the shop I received and issued
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�the armored vests was my shop and that’s what I did the whole time I was there. they had more
than armor vests they had the whole armor suit for the engineers that worked in mine fields and
things like that and the war they called a truce three months after I was there. They started
turning a lot of vests in and we had a pile as long as from here to that building. 100 foot and
highest piles of armor vests and we had to go through and grade them and save the good ones
and destroy the ones that wasn’t repairable and that took a long time after they signed the truce.
Coy McNeill: Didn’t you find body parts in some of those?
McNeill: yeah we had found body parts in some of those armor suits
Sams: Wow.
McNeill: Where the engineers use to set mine fields and take up mine fields you could
occasionally find something in there you didn’t want to see... but... after a while before I come
home we just practically without anything to do. it just kinda when the call the truce we just
mostly processed and turned in things and packaged them and get ready to send them to
somewhere else or back here.
Sams: Now when they called the truce sorry how many months did you say you were in Korea?
McNeill: I was there 16 but only three months while the fighting was going on
Sams: ok alright.
McNeill: It was a relief for it to stop you could sleep better you didn’t hear boom boom all night
long.
Sams: I bet that was good
McNeill: And...
Sams: Can you tell me some of the more memorable experiences you had? Maybe a funny story
or something that really stands out in your mind?
McNeill: the first week there before I was assigned to the armored vest shop. you didn’t have
anything to do they'd make you a shotgun guard on a truck that’s going to Dong Yong Po and
getting ammunition and hauling it across the 38th parallel and they'd have what you call a
shotgun you did that the first week you were there and then after you got your job like I did in
the armored vest shop I didn’t have to do that anymore that was the experiences that the roads
were puffy dust and it strangle you just be an inch thick in dust and stop along the way and snack
something it couldn’t get to a meal but you'd carry along something like I’m trying to think
packages we had then were K rations and C rations we would take and fix a drink or get crackers
and food out of a can.

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�Sams: And is that what you ate a lot of times?
McNeill: that’s the first week I ate a lot of C rations.
Sams: How were those?
McNeill: they'd keep you alive and but then there wasn’t very tasty they weren’t good. And but
they were keep you going for longer than a week if you had to... I don’t know or if I’m suppose
to say this or not but when I got over there all the equipment they had was old World War Two
trucks ‘40 and ’41, ‘42 models and I was dumb founded I couldn’t believe what I was seeing and
we had alternators to make our electricity and they were old 4 cylinder—same engine as in a
jeep—old flat headed mackin motors four cylinder engine then after they signed the truce. they
started sending in new trucks automatic transmission GMCs new just didn’t have them when the
war was going on but after the war seems like we got plenty equipment.
Sams: That’s interesting
McNeill: our generators were we had four of those little four cylinder flat headed engines for a
generator to create electricity they could send us one diesel that would replace four of them.
Sams: O wow
McNeill: Produce the same amount of and the guys that had to stand by to repair them and keep
them going man it just it just made their job much easier they didn’t have to be working on
engines all the time they could just put fuel in them and set back and watch them produce.
Sams: That’s great, that sounds good.
McNeill: we had a funny saying we'd say that happened after Eisenhower become president and
we had all that all that old equipment we used when we fighting the war then when after we
signed the truce we were just swamped with new equipment and it didn’t add up to us over there
using it but that’s the way it was.
Sams: Now when you in Korea did you ever have contact with your family? Did you ever keep
up with them?
McNeill: Course some people would write every day some people write once a week some
people would write once a month I think I averaged I’d say three times a week anyway and when
I went on R&amp;R to Japan I got to call home and talk to my folks and call Betty we were engaged
then and I called her and talked to her and woke her up in the middle of the night I wasn’t
thinking about the time difference and what time it was back here I just had a chance to call and
did it while I had a chance.
Sams: Right

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�McNeill: But she was kinda groggy I woke her up
Sams: So I know you mentioned when you were on leave you went to Japan. What else would
you do while you were on leave?
McNeill: we go down to Seoul for three days sometimes the headquarters was right below there
in Dong Won Po but the old capital building for Korea was in Seoul and it was turned into a PX
for US soldiers it’s amazing what you could find to buy in there it just it just a department store
like you could find all kinda things you might want to send somebody a present home you could
find it there you had to look out ahead and get it while you were there and have it to mail at the
proper time but it was fun just going down there and walking through that and seeing what they
had and being able to buy that you needed put in a package and take it back with you. you could
get food or something that you might need that you didn’t have I’m not thinking of something. I
might get a better flashlight than the one I had issued to me
Sams: Ok, O Ok
McNeill: and things like that a razor shaving equipment and it was good to have of course in the
PX at the service center we had more than you might think for you had food, cigarettes, Tobacco,
some clothing that you might be able to wear but what was fun was they had two pump shotguns
in there and after you pulled guard you had the next day off and we could check those guns out
and go out pheasant hunting. We could always find a Korean that would be our bird dog for a
pack of cigarettes
Sams: O wow!
McNeill: and we'd scare him up and if we missed him he'd fly over a little hill this guy would
run around and flush him back over you so you could have another chance at him.
Sams: Wow
McNeill: And that was right much fun on maybe if you pull guard the night before you'd sleep til
12 and then go pheasant hunting that evening and it was real relaxing you could forget your job
and it wasn’t so aggravating for a day or two
Sams: That’s great.
McNeill: It was it was a relief from work but it got to where before I left you could get more
things in the PX at the service center than you could when I first went there. It was much more
comfortable after the truce was declared it was much, serving was much easier.
Coy McNeill: Ask him if he had any dentist over there.
Sams: I know that you had one story that I've hear about getting a tooth pulled could you share
that with us?
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�McNeill: O yeah that was terrible. Wisdom teeth the first two come through and our bottom had
just broke and I was advised to get them pulled so we had to go up behind the third division
medics and man that was crude it was just an old tent and I do believe I sat on a stump and they
had two, two by fours nailed on the back of the stump and one this way to lay your head like that
and one fella held my head like that while the other chiseled what was left of those what was left
of the wisdom teeth out and man that that hurt and of course they give you what they had in your
hand and of course when you left they’d give you left they'd give you a hand full of ACP its
suppose to be the same thing as aspirin but we always said it weren't you'd have to take two to
make one aspirin back home
Sams: Right
McNeill: that’s what they give me I got back to my tent you want me to tell it all Coy?
Coy McNeill: Sure
Sams: You can talk as much as you want
McNeill: I didn’t get there in time for supper and I couldn’t eat anyway so when I was R&amp;R in
Japan I got me a bottle of whiskey and I put it in my locker and I was hurting and I said I gonna
drink some whiskey and I drank a little too much and the next morning I woke up with my head
hanging off and blood just dripping and I thick headed and I couldn’t remember having a tooth
pulled and I said lord that whiskey created an ulcer I’m bleeding I’m bleeding from my stomach
and after while I got up and went out back and threw up and then cleared my head then I
remember having teeth pulled then the feeling was coming back but that was a prank I pulled on
myself taking too much whiskey for pain reliever after having them teeth pulled I got a good
scare from that the next morning when I woke up.
Sams: I bet so. Now, Now when you, when your service ended tell me kinda that experience and
did you come straight home or did you go back to Japan? Or how did you do that?
McNeill: we went to Pusan and stead of coming through Japan like we did coming we left yeah
the ship we went over on was an old converted liberty ship and its twenty four hundred troops on
it plus the crew so there’s probably 3000 people on it and the sea was rough and it rode rough but
coming back the ship come from Japan and it had some wife’s of men who were able to stay
with their husbands in Japan and most times there would be officers and their wives were already
on the ship when they stopped by Pusan and we loaded on but that was two stacker and it was
much more comfortable it rode... twice as good as the one going over it would cruise and not
beat you to death.
Sams: Right

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�McNeill: And all of the all the dependents were on the top deck and we were on below deck but
really we would stay outside all day long and it was just it was just pleasant cruise coming home
on that big longer ship with two big engines that could just , just more comfortable.
Sams: That’s great. Now when you came home did you come through San Francisco or.
McNeill: We did we came there and got there at four o'clock in the morning and then ordered us
all out on deck with our duffle backs and we sat on them duffle bags til day light we still sitting
there til 9 o'clock before they started letting us depart get off. And we were shouldering our
duffle bags and was getting off and we saw these young girls and boys to out there all dressed
alike they had oxfords on ankle socks girls had plaid skirts and they were welcome us home I
though this is nice this is nice for them to come down here and do that for troops coming in. that
boy walking alone with me we served together in Korea he ask them what they were doing there
where they were from did they have a loved one or something they were greeting and that busted
our bubble they said they were from the school up on the hill and when troop ships come in they
paid them five dollars and give them the morning off to go down and welcome the troops.
Sams: O Ok. Well this has been a great experience talking to you. Is there any closing remarks
you wanna talk about?
McNeill: I’ll probably think of something after you leave but its good reminiscing about it it
was... I think about it a lot to myself don’t talk a lot about it but I do think about it a lot to myself
but the only place I think I got unnerved over there while I was riding shotgun on the truck
hauling ammunition and a big convey we went in behind the line and they went to shelling us
over there and they told them to scatter the convey so truck drivers one would go this way one
would go that way and got in the rough terrain that thing bounced and I fell off.
Sams: O wow
McNeill: He went on of course and later that night I found him we went up a trench there’s a
mountain in front of us they all ordered us up that trench to wind around and go up and he went
just a few feet and stop and waited on me he knew I would come through eventually and he was
kidding me about he was he been there and bout ready to rotate home. He was a tough dude from
St. Louis Missouri and he loved to rag me about how upset I got that night.
Sams: Very good. Well this has been great and glad we could do this thank you for your time
McNeill: Your welcome Jackson and I hope it serves you well
Sams: It will I’m sure. I’m sure it will be listened to for years now

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U.S. Army
1956-1958
Cold War (Korea)
October 14, 2012

Andrew Nicolaysen: Okay, so my name is Andrew Nicolaysen, and for the record, what is your
name?
Erik Nicolaysen: Erik Nicolaysen
Andrew: And we’re conducting this interview over the phone. I’m in Boone, North Caroline and
you’re in Chappaqua, New York.
Erik: Correct
Andrew: And it is the 14th of October 2012.
Erik: Okay
Andrew: …When and where were you born?
Erik: February 8th, 1933. I was born in Mt. Kisco, New York.
Andrew: Okay, and where did you, or what…branch of the military did you serve in?
Erik: I served in the US Army
Andrew: Was that active duty or National Guard?
Erik: Both
Andrew: Did you serve in active duty first?
Erik: No, what I did is I…joined the… I actually joined the reserves, not the National Guard.
I…the New Jersey…reserve division…When…New Jersey while I was attending Rutgers
University…and over the 3 years that I served with the reserve unit…I made
corporal…meanwhile I was also tracking with the ROTC at college…and I took a commission
upon graduation from college…in 1956…and got a promotion while I was in duty and ended up
leaving the service as a…as a 1st lieutenant. I then spent some time with a signal core company
in Ossining, New York. But then they were disbanded about a year after I got out of the service.
…I then spent about 6 months working with a medical unit and was stationed up…up near West
Point. On the…eastern side of the Hudson…a medical evacuation units, because they were short
officers…and then I…at that point, since they had full, they had official medically trained
officers in, so I was superfluous to them and went to the…ready reserve. And stayed with the
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ready reserve until I got an honorable discharge and all told I spent about 11 years in the service
in one connection or the other.
Andrew: Do you remember why you joined the military?
Erik: …I just felt there was a duty, there was also a case too that the…draft was in effect at that
point, most people were…or a significant number of people were getting drafted so I figured I
was gonna go no matter what…and…I decided that if I was gonna go, I’d prefer to go as an
officer. ….and I was studying engineering, and signal core went well with the engineering so I
decided to…to…join the signal core unit at Rutgers University.
Andrew: When did you first go to Korea?
Erik: I went to Korea in late 56, stayed there through to the beginning of 58.
Andrew: And what did you do there?
Erik: I was assigned to the 51st signal battalion, and my first job was battalion motor pool
officer. We were responsible for the…secondary level of maintenance…on the battalion
vehicles. We had somewhere between 5 and 600 vehicles of assorted types: deuce and a half,
tractor-trailers, ¾ tons, jeeps…and…we then…and the normal preliminary maintenance was
done with each company, but then the major overhauls…were done by us and then if there was a
real major job the vehicle was transferred to the ordnance department that did the overhaul, but
generally…probably 90 to 95% of the work on the vehicles was done at the battalion level.
Andrew: Were you…
Erik: …then I got…after a while I was transferred…from that to a radio teletype platoon, which
was responsible for…radio teletype communications…between ICOR headquarters and all the
way down to Busan. …and then I…I finished…my last month or so of being in charge of
the…the maintenance unit that took care of the…generators and….welding equipment to smaller
equipment of that nature. And I was in charge of running that…operation for the last month or so
before I was discharged.
Andrew: How did you end up in the motor pool if you were a…signal officer?
Erik: …because when I…got there they looked at…our private work, and I had worked on the
assembly line at General Motors. So there were 3 of us who were lieutenants who arrived at the
same time…and the other 2 were assigned to line companies. By the way, I was trained in
microwave equipment, and the nearest microwave equipment was in Hawaii. But when we
arrived the…other 2 officers were assigned to line companies, basically stringing wire and things
of that nature. And I was assigned the headquarters company because I had worked on the
assemble line at General Motors during the summer, and therefore they thought I knew
something about…trucks. Luckily I had a sergeant who knew what he was doing. Much more so
than I did, that was for sure.

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Andrew: …Because you were there after the armistice, what was the nature of the combat that
was happening in Korea at the time?
Erik: Basically there was no formal combat, but the North Koreans…were, still had a propensity
for sneaking through the…DMZ, we were only 10 miles south of the…DMZ in Uijeongbu,
Korea, and we were 10 miles south of the DMZ so…our line companies, who were generally
out…doing a lot of…small…squads stringing along wire and things of that nature. They were
working behind the…sneaking through the…front lines or they would come south, even around
the…water. Even to the east and west coasts, and therefore there were certain
instances…of…attacks by them on…isolated units…although it was more a nuisance than
anything formal because…the activities during the Korean War were such that…that the South
Koreans hated the North Koreans with a passion. And the first…Korean or…farmer who would
spot these guys would immediately run to the nearest police or army station and report ’em
so…although they did pull us…to movement into the field on occasion and stuff of that nature,
they never lasted very long and don’t…to the best of my knowledge, there were few if any
prisoners taken.
Andrew: What were some of your most memorable experiences, while you were in the military?
Erik: It was a job like anything else, I mean, that…you know, I could remember…when I was in
the…still in college, I went to Camp Gordon for summer. The other 2 summers that I was in, I
went to…Camp Drum with the reserve unit…but I mean, that was mainly just training. The
entire time we were there, we were being taught the equipment…small unit…activity for a
supply unit or a support unit rather than a, you know, combat infantry… Probably the thing that
sticks with me the most was …qualification with weapons for the entire battalion and we had
about…we had about, I think about 1800 enlisted men…and then we had about 6 or 700 Korean
troops that were attached…and basically we had to qualify ‘till there was one captain, and myself
and another lieutenant, and we worked…for about 3 or 4 weeks, I’m trying to remember now,
but…qualifying everyone on their individual weapons and then we had…their table of
organization called for half a dozen .30 calibers, we had…oh maybe half a dozen .50 calibers
that were mounted on the top of the…deuce and a halfs when they had a ring to fire with them,
and then we had some bazookas…and…we had 1 or 2 recoilless rifles. So basically we to…you
know, talk through firing for the entire battalion and then individual weapons and then we had
to…do the crew served weapons.
Andrew: Did you make any…close friendships and relationships while you were in the Army?
Erik: Yeah I did, but…because of my age now, I think all of them are dead. I know 2 guys I was
closest to…were dead and I think most of the rest of them that…I was in at that time are also
deceased.
Andrew: Has your service and experiences affected your life? Like, continuing on?
Erik: Oh, I think it made for a little bit better organization…you know, follow through and not
put things off…you know, that carried over, I did…I did do constructions projects after I got
back out, In addition to working in the ...insurance agency. I built…5 or 6 commercial buildings
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and half a dozen homes and remodeled other homes…and that required considerable
organization to do that as a side line, you know.
Andrew: Well, I think that’s about everything I need, unless there’s anything you would like to
add.
Erik: …not really…you know, there was…I enjoyed the period of time…I remember…one
thing I do remember about Korea was the coldness, when we went out in the field…wind used to
come out of Siberia, and…temperatures below 0…were not at all unusual and…I can remember
crawling under trucks with the old blow torches to release the brakes where they had frozen
overnight, and stuff of that nature, so we could move the vehicles. And…for those kinds of
things, everybody pitched in, officers, noncoms…you know…you know, If you wanted to move
the vehicles and get out of there, everybody did what they could, so…it was…but I do remember
how God awful cold it got.
Andrew: Okay, well, I think that…about finishes it up.

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