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Larry Richardson
U.S. Navy
1968-1974
Vietnam War
October 11, 2012

Trey Pitts: This is Trey Pitts in Lincolnton, North Carolina the date is October 11, 2012 and I
am interviewing Larry Richardson. Okay first question is: Where were you born?
Larry Richardson: Charlotte, North Carolina
Pitts: In what year?
Richardson: 1949
Me: When you got into the services were you drafted? Or did you volunteer?
Richardson: My dad was in the Navy, during WWII, in the Pacific, my older brother was in the
Navy on riverboats in ‘Nam, and had nowhere to go, I graduated High School, my plan was to
join the Navy, so that is what I did, in 1968.
Me: What was your rank?
Richardson: When I got out?
Me: yea
Richardson: I was E 5, second class, when I got out in 1974.
Me: You served in Vietnam, where exactly did you serve?
Richardson: I was on board a destroyer, what I call a tin can, If you ever see it up beside a battle
ship or a aircraft carrier, you will know why they call it a tin can, because that’s what it looks
like, out there on the water, it goes everywhere. I went to boot camp in Orlando, Florida in 1968.
I joined my ship which was stationed in Newport, Rhode Island at the time in 1969.
Pitts: What was the name of it?
Richardson: The USS. Keppler, DD 765, the keel for it was laid in 1946.
Pitts: While in Vietnam, were you in any battles?
Richardson: When I got on board the ship in Newport, Rhode Island in 1969, we were there for
about 3 months, we were suppose to go to the Mediterranean, had no intentions of going to
Vietnam at the time. They cancelled the cruse to the Mediterranean; they told us our home port
was now changed to Pearl Harbor. From there we made our first cruse to ‘Nam. We went
through the Panama Canal, which was awesome, even though we went through in the middle of
the night.
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�We were a support ship, the Vietnamese had no Navy. They had land armaments, canons, and
they would shoot at us. They had a bunch of sanfrans, you think they were fishing boats, but they
were the enemy
Pitts: They actually disguised them as fishing vessels?
Richardson: Yea that’s what they were; they would have Viet Cong, North Vietnamese on
them. In fact three years before I got on board in 1966, one of those fishing vessels was acting
suspicious, and our ship followed it, up the North China Sea, right off the coast of Vietnam. And
our ship followed it, they got bombarded, our ship was the first U.S Navy ship to suffer
casualties. And it is not recorded anywhere, I have looked. What we did was support the land
movements, Army, Marines, whoever they were. They would call in support and we would blow
up everything.
Pitts: Ok, so you were land support, uh sea support for land movements, so what was, right
before you got out of the Navy in 1974 what was your assignment at that point?
Richardson: I was a boiler technician, back then the boilers made the steam that turned the
turbines in the engine room that drove the ship. They do not use them anymore. After I got out
they did away with boiler technicians, they are no more, the only thing boilers are used for is to
make hot water for showers or whatever, now everything is nuclear even destroyers are nuclear.
Pitts: Was the ship coal fired?
Richardson: no it was oil, number 6 oil;
Pitts: oil, ok
Richardson: It was thick and nasty, where I was always hot, probably over 110 degrees
constantly, you were dirty, stinky. They called us snipes and bilge rats and all this stuff, cause
that what we were.
Pitts: Yea, it was a messy messy job huh….
Richardson: Yes It was, defiantly was…
Pitts: What port were you at when your ship docketed when it was not on assignmen, where did
it dock?
Richardson: Pearl Harbor
Pitts: At Pearl Harbor? So you went to and from Pearl Harbor to Vietnam and back. Ok.
Richardson: yea, we were in the 20th corps, been to several places in the western Pacific,
Southeast Asia.
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�Pitts: So, did you go anywhere else besides ‘Nam, during the war? Was you assigned…..
Richardson: Yes, we went, you talking about other ports?
Pitts: yea
Richardson: Spent a lot of time in the Philippines’, went to Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan,
Thailand, Bannock, Thailand, Taiwan, I already said that. Singapore, we were heading for
Australia, talking about did we taking fire, we were heading for Australia for R and R, we were
gone, we had already crossed the equator. That what this shirt is, my shellback shirt, I will tell
you about shellbacks in a minute. We were heading there when our sister ship, the Lloyd Thomas
DD 764, was hit in Vietnam, we would trade places. We had to turn around and go back to
relieve them; they had to come off line, so we never made it to Australia, and I always wanted to
go there.
Pitts: would have been a bit of a vacation
Richardson: oh yea that would have been cool.
Pitts: so you mentioned what was it?
Richardson: shellbacks
Pitts: yea shellbacks
Richardson: shellbacks are for when you cross the equator, you become a shellback, normal
people, and navy guys are little people, pollywogs. When you cross the equator it is a big
ceremony for your ship. Everybody that have crossed the equator before, they dress up, one of
them is going to be King Neptune, they put grease all over his belly. The pollywogs on board,
they have to go through a ritual, I doubt they do it anymore, because there are women on
board….
Pitts: oh
Richardson: you wear nothing but your underwear, and that is it, and you crawl around the
whole deck.
Pitts: around the perimeter of the ship?
Richardson: yes, around the whole deck of the ship, on your hands and knees, and they squirt
you with sea water and hit you and slap you and all this stuff. They had what they call, I don’t
know how to spell this Trey, but what they call shilalies.
Pitts: shilalies?
Richardson: It was a piece of fire hose; you know how rough fire hose is?
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�Pitts: yes, yes I do
Richardson: It was pieces of fire hose about three feet long, and rap one end of it and bind it, so
they could get a handle on it. And for weeks at a time shellbacks, the ones suppose to whoop
your rear, would soak it in sea water, and dry it, soak it and dry it.
Pitts: so that just made it harder.
Richardson: hard as a rock, as your crawling around there, they would hit you, it hurts, there not
permanently damage you, they do all this, they put a life raft on the fan tail, that’s the rear of the
ship, and fill it full of garbage from the kitchen, fill it , and water, and they collapse it, it’s got a
roof on, and you got to go in one end and come up the other, with something in your mouth, it
was terrible.
Pitts: didn’t matter what it was, just something.
Richardson: just something, didn’t matter if it was a carrot, sardine, something, it was terrible.
Remember you are on the equator, so what’s the temperature like?
Pitts: up in the 100s probably?
Richardson: pretty ripe, all this stuff was pretty ripe.
Pitts: so when you said they were on the equator, they would actually anchor right on the
equator?
Richardson: No you couldn’t anchor, there ain’t no way!
Pitts: oh yea!
Richardson: Your there around it.
Pitts: they would just stay on it, pretty much orbit it
Richardson: yea
Pitts: I don’t know why I said anchor
Richardson: but anyway, everyone squirts you and hits you, and all this stuff, then the fat belly
dude, with all the grease on his belly, you got to come you to him, state your case as to why you
should be a shellback, then they grab your head and rub it in his ol greasy belly, and then you
become a shell back. Then you’ve got king Neptune, usually the oldest shellback, that stands
there with his what do you call it..
Pitts: trident?
Richardson: trident, whatever, it was cool, every ship goes through it, I have seen it on the
military channel, an aircraft carrier, it was cool, it was December 7th, 1971, I will never forget it.
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�But you got a big certificate, I got it hanging on my wall.
Pitts: so when you went through the trash, what did you come up with?
Richardson: I don’t remember, I believe it was a sardine, dead fish or something
Pitts: more or less It just smelled bad so you wanted to get out huh?
Richardson: oh yea you wanted out of there! Anyway we had to cut short from that instead of
going on to Australia, and head for the South China Sea.
Pitts: To relieve your sister ship?
Richardson: Yea
Pitts: so when was your last tour of duty?
Richardson: My last trip to Vietnam I would say in 1972.
Pitts: two years before you got out, and that was when you was a boiler technician?
Richardson: yea I was boiler technician at that point.
Pitts: Well I guess, so when you got out, did you retire?
Richardson: No I got married while I was in the Navy; I met a gal over there in Pearl Harbor,
she was, not Hawaiian, she was a Navy brat, she was raised there, so that was why I got out, I got
out in 1974, to start another life.
Pitts: ok
Richardson: I wish I would have brought my uniform with me.
Pitts: yea, what medals did you receive?
Richardson: I got my service medal, everyone gets those, then I have a Vietnam service medal,
a good conduct medal, basically that is it. Since we were not involved in hand to hand, we did
not get any of those, we were support, we did our job, the ship got awards, so, no medal of
honor.
Pitts: You mentioned the shellbacks, so what else sticks in your memory?
Richardson: things I will never forget, going through the Panama Canal, after we had went
through, the Panama Canal, we were going to go to stop for a little R and R in Arco Poco, we
didn’t, our ship broke down, we were dead in the water, If you look out at the ocean there in the
south Pacific, it looks like glass, it looks calm, but it wasn’t real slow moves, our ships rolled
side to side and you thought it would tip over, the moves were so drastic.
Pitts: did anyone get sick?
Richardson: oh yea people got sick all the time, I never did, a fuel pump went out in our fire
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�room, You got two fire rooms one boiler each in them, I was in the aft fire room, we busted our
rears, it took ours, literally hours, took about twenty hours or so, that stopped our R and R into
Arco Poco, we went in to San Diego, were talking about 1969, beautiful city. When your out on
the open sea, you just think this place is vast, one of our duties was escorting aircraft carriers,
and planes would take off 24/7, at night it was an awesome sight, they would come back in at
night.
Pitts: One thing I meant to ask you was, I know during WWII, ships were limited on how much
light they could give off, did they do the same thing during nahm?
Richardson: oh yes, we were in reach of land, I guess you could say, we could not open any
hatch leading to the outside, no smoking on deck, none of that, you could go forward to aft
inside and never go outside, you had to be secure. And you always training, when you were not
on duty, they did a lot of training, lot of damage control.
Pitts: so they basically ran scenarios.
Richardson: yea, over and over, so you could be automatic if anything happened.
Pitts: did they do any weapons training?
Richardson: Yea oh yea, when we were out in the middle of the pacific, when you are out there
doing nothing, your are training, damage control safety or you were weapons training small
arms, 45 automatic, M 16, we did not get to do a lot of that, and I loved that.
Pitts: so all other training was basically, everyone was a fireman.
Richardson: yea, got a lot of gunpowder on board, armament, and that was what happed when
we did get hit, it blew up the front gun torrent, pretty major. Another thing when you go to
foreign countries, at least then, I don’t know how it is now I haven’t been to a foreign country
since 1974 or so, for instance we would go into Sewage Bay, in the Philippines, and there was a
bridge there we had to cross from the base to town, we would cross this bridge, but You thank
God for America, when you are in these foreign countries, we had a name for this river, but I’m
not going to repeat it, these little kids were swimming in this river, and they would holler up at
you to throw in a dime or something, and they would dive down and get it, and all the sewage in
the world ran into this river, it was terrible. Went to Hong Kong, made several trips to Hong
Kong, the city itself, it was like New York, beautiful. We toured this city and you would see
signs that let you know that it was Red China and not to got there, at the time England controlled
Hong Kong, There was a grave yard, and what they would do is they would bury someone, and
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�in a few years dig theme up an bury someone else in that hole. There was no room you were on
an island, big apartments, looked like outside of Washington D.C, thousands of people living
there. Every country I went to had its good and bad side.
Pitts: I guess this was during R and R?
Richardson: oh yea, we were not there for very long, reloaded with food, supplies and stuff like
that, and another thing I remember was refueling at sea, it was an amazing thing to see, cause
again everyone had a job, you job may be no more than to stay out of the way.
Pitts: that was your job.
Richardson: that was your job, and you better do, don’t want to get in the way, very dangerous,
because you were side by side with a ship, nothing ever happened, I never say anything bad
happen, planes taking off at night was just one of the most awesome things. Pearl Harbor itself,
beautiful, where we docked, when we were home, was right across from the Arizona memorial,
the whole island was full of memorials, would I do it again, in a heartbeat!

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2000s
Iraq War
October 14, 2012

Thomas Di Tomasso: It is October 14, 2012. We are in Boone, NC, in our house at
3245, Highway 421 North. I am interviewing Eliot White, currently a sophomore at
Appalachian State University. I am Thomas Di Tomasso a senior at Appalachian
State University majoring in International Criminal Justice.
White: Freshmen.

Di Tomasso: Oh my bad freshmen.

Di Tomasso: And we will begin the oral history interview now.
Di Tomasso: To start off where were you born and raised?

Eliot White: I was born in Sarapul, Russia and I was raised at an orphanage until the
age of nine, adopted at age ten. Then came to Charlotte, North Carolina.
Di Tomasso: All right, when and why did you choose to join the military?

White: I was in a bad spot, where I was living at, at the time and pretty much looked
at it as my way out.
Di Tomasso: What rank did you eventually reach?

White: The highest rank that I reached E-5 Second Class Petty Officer.
Di Tomasso: Do you have any family history of being in the military?

White: Biological family, not that I know of. Adopted family my grandfather, actually
both my grandfather’s, one served in World War 2 the other was in the Korean War.
Di Tomasso: Ok, what experience or schools, or experiences or schools did you
attend in your initial entry phase in the military?

White: Initial entry phase outside of boot camp, ITA School in Pensacola, Florida
and that’s about it.
Di Tomasso: What is ITA school?

White: Information Systems (…) technical school.
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�Di Tomasso: So, where were you assigned after your initial entry phase?

White: After Pensacola I was assigned to Operational Naval Intelligence
Washington, DC.
Di Tomasso: Can you tell me specifically what your job was?

White: In DC my job was to monitor and (…..) pretty much write up, send out,
receive, and correct military messages that went through HBSS Systems (…) I
mean(………) yea at a basic level that’s pretty much what it was, I mean honestly all it
was incoming and outgoing traffic messages.
Di Tomasso: Ok ,how did your family react to you being in the military?

White: My parents thought it was a good idea for me, seeing as I wasn’t really doing
too well on my own. They thought it would help me with my (…) I guess growing in,
growing up experiences and stuff.
Di Tomasso: Were you ever deployed, how many times and where were you
deployed?

White: I was deployed once, [unclear]. Our headquarter deployment was in Bahrain,
which is in the middle east, is a small base in Jafar southwest of Saudi Arabia, we did
all our OPS, things of that habit there.
Di Tomasso: What year was that?

White: That was September 2010.

Di Tomasso: Ok, did you ever experience any combat while you were deployed?

White: I did, twice.

Di Tomasso: Now, can you tell me about any of your combat experiences?

White: I mean the best way for me to put it is a high paced, hectic, a lot of things
going on at one time. Bullets flying past you, things exploding, live ammo being used.
I mean it was no joke, it was, It was pretty much high tension. You make one mistake
somebody could go down.
Di Tomasso: Is there any specific situations that you could tell me about you were
in, certain battles or experiences?
White: (White shakes head)

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�Di Tomasso: All right, so what can you tell me about the culture of the area you
were deployed?

White: Culture was pretty much, I mean essentially it was ninety nine percent
Muslim, and they had, there were a lot of Indian immigrants, a lot of Asian pacific
immigrants, I mean (…) it was very highly concentrated Muslim area basically. This
is kind of hard to describe seeing as it was a big, mainly looked down upon females.
Females were pretty much considered as baby meals, essentially. Best way to put it
other than that.
Di Tomasso: Did you have any females in your squad or unit?

White: (Coughs) No we did not. (Coughs)

Di Tomasso: Did you see how any American females; did you see them interact with
any of them?

White: It (...) The way it was best put to them, and to us, as far as them going into
town and what not, was keep interaction between female parties and the locals was
to a minimum, absolute minimum. Their dress had to be absolutely monitored, as in
collared shirt, long sleeves, long pants. They weren’t allowed to wear you know
short skirts, things like that nature. A lot of times that wouldn’t be allowed off base,
unless a male individual was with them, for security and safety reasons, but other
than that.
Di Tomasso: How did you progress throughout your military career?

White: Just like any other individual, I worked hard, with being in the Navy, or the
Navy progression system basically from E1, E3 its like wait your time, nine months
in-between. From E3 to E4 its a six month wait, you take a navy wide exam, you had
to score a certain score on the exam and what not to be considered for
advancement. From E4 to E5 its one year, once again you take an exam, and (...) I did
what I had to.
Di Tomasso: So you made your way from E1 to E5?
White: E1 to E5 in exactly three years.

Di Tomasso: Is that considered a short period of time?

White: That’s extremely short. (Chuckles) Most individuals won’t, it takes on
average about five to six years to go from E1 to E5.
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�Di Tomasso: So why do you think that you were able to do this in that short amount
of time?

White: I mean allot of it had to do with experience. (…) A lot of Navy is based on
ships, and short commands, being with my situation being, you know seeing combat
and being out there first hand actually witnessing the things that they were being
taught. Just a lot easier for me to grasp information, and just go back and regurgitate
it on the test.
Di Tomasso: What can you say about your leadership, officers specifically that you
interacted with, I mean how do you feel?

White: Some of the greatest people I’ve ever met. I mean those guys would do
anything for all of us. I mean it was pretty much, honestly it was like a little
brotherhood, I mean every single one of us would take a bullet for the other, for the
next person next to them, because we knew that if they messed up that could be my
life on the line, if I messed up it could be there life on the line.
Di Tomasso: So you had respect, I mean the officers were competent in their jobs?

White: The officer’s knew exactly what they were doing; if there was any question
that it shouldn’t have been done they wouldn’t do it. I mean it would stop right
there immediately. If orders were given out, and they weren’t sure about the order’s
they would clarify immediately. They wouldn’t wait and see it through before
finding out there was a mistake. But other than that it was a great group of people.
Di Tomasso: What problems did you see in your time in the military, with the way
the structure and organization, and how everything was run?

White: The biggest, my biggest issue was (….) personal lack of motivation, because a
lot of individuals are younger, you know under twenty-three. It’s hard to control
them, seeing as they just, they see what’s right but they don’t always see what’s
good. It’s actually, what I’m saying is they knew what they believed is right to them,
but they don’t follow order’s the way they sup post to. And plus it being very high
technology based society now a days, a lot of them just want to go by what every
body else says. You know, what they see on the Internet, or they see on the news,
they don’t actually want to sit down and research the information.
Di Tomasso: How did you get through difficult times while you were in the
military?

White: it’s going to be slightly weird but the best way to put it is music. I mean,
whenever, you know something absolutely off the wall, tragic happened, let’s say
lost we a teammate or you know, we saw a bombing run of a civilian village. I just
put my headphones in, zone everything out, and just get, get through it, easiest way
to put it.
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�Di Tomasso: What did you see of the other branches of the military Army, Marine
Corps, maybe Coast Guard, and how did you interact with them?

White: I saw a lot of Marine’s, a lot of Air force, some Army, and a few Coast Guard.
A lot of the Marine’s, they were pretty much a security detail, I mean Master at
Arms, K9 Units. We didn’t really interact very much with them. It was more of, off
the work schedule, you know barracks parties, or you see them out in town
sometimes, play basketball at the gym, see them at the library. But other than that
we never really, I mean there was no true interaction within the branches.
Di Tomasso: So when and why did you decided to get out?

White: It was my, my four year contract was, (…) pretty much out. April of 2012 I
got out decide to call the G. I. Bill, and go to school.

Di Tomasso: So how do you feel with the political environment that we’re in right
now, how do you feel, do you feel politicians care about the military, and how do you
feel they affected you as far as when you were deployed, and stuff like that?
White: Honestly (…) it (…) I mean (…) that’s a tough question, because I was always
you know taught and trained from the get go in the military to follow orders
regardless. I mean unless the orders were absolutely wrong or completely illegal,
just follow them. So I never really, quite paid attention to the political side of the
whole thing, not until I was about E4, E5 you know reached the higher ranks that’s
when you sit down you really, you know you have people who your in charge of, and
people reporting to you on a daily basis, that’s when the political side of it really hits
you. The way I perceived the whole, you know the U.S. government dealing with the
troops overseas and bringing them home and this and that, it was interesting,
because a lot of times It didn’t really matter who left or who stayed it was just more
about numbers, it was about how many people had gone, or how many people gone
home. It was, no prejudice to whether, you know people had families, or people had
been there for a certain period of time, and you had people who had just got there,
to come home or not. So I mean it was really chaotic, but at the same time, I mean it
was pretty much, it was an organized madness essentially.
Di Tomasso: So, you and I have talked about this before, military life being very
high paced. How did you transition, to the civilian world after getting out of the
Navy?

White: Honestly, I mean I’m still trying to kind of, get used to the whole civilian
sector of it, because it is very (….) slow per say, I mean nothing really goes on. I
mean I don’t see loud noises going off here and there, and every once in awhile I’ll
get flashbacks, I’ll just kind of like sit there and just zone out (…) but other than that
I mean the transitions pretty much on going. It’s probably going take at least some
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�time you know in the future, to at least fully grasp the idea that, hey I’m not in the
military completely, I don’t got to do the same stuff as I used to.

Di Tomasso: Is there anything specifically you would say you took away from your
military experience?

White: By far the best trait is discipline. I mean before I went in the military and
what not, I was always one of those high going you know or fast paced individuals. I
just wanted to do something, I just wanted to go out there you know whether it’s
play sports, or just hang out with friends, and party or whatever I just wanted to do
something. Getting out in the military it’s more of, you know I got this to do, I got to
do this, I got to do that, let me take care of that first, and then whatever time I have
left you know enjoy. But yea I mean the biggest is probably discipline.
Di Tomasso: Is there anything else you’d like to add to your military experience or
anything else you would like to talk about that we may have not covered?
White: That’s pretty much it.

Di Tomasso: I appreciate your time, and that concludes the interview.

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