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                    <text>Sterling Hardy
IDS 3823
Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Ok, First off who are you?
Haston Gray Haymore
Ok, and you are from Dobson?
Yep, from Dobson
We are doing this interview in his home in Dobson, North Carolina. Today is March 7th 2011.
When were you born?
January 3rd of 48'.
Ok, ( ... )I am doing this interview as part of the United States Military History class under, Dr.
Browning, Appalachian State University( ...) Ok, were you drafted or did you enlist?

I was drafted.
Ok, when were you drafted?

It was 69', it was in April of 69'
Ok.

It was about twenty to twenty five drafted out of our county .every month.
Ok, what branch of the service?
Army.
Army, Ok.
Where did you do your basic training?
Fort Bragg.
What was that like?
We'll it was not to pleasant, cause when you was drafted, you didn't want to be there, but, it was
one of them things, it was on of those things, you know you had to do. Wasn't anything you

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March 14, 2011
could do about it. We had to do it. And when we was drafted we went through the recruiting
center in Charlotte.
Right.
I was drafted in the Army. We all or a big group of us sat in there, in chairs, in rows, sergeant
came out said you, you, you, you four come on with me, you just joined the Marines. I was the
fifth man. So I stayed in the Army. ( ... )
Now I know that Basic Training is pretty, pretty strenuous, is there anything that kind of sticks
out to you about the training?
Not, not really, they put you through each week with a different type training it was, I know the
first few weeks they was alot, alot of running and exercising. Then, then things kind of backed
off, then rifle range, different things like that, kind of backed of a little bit.
Right. I pretty much know that the weather was insane ..
The weather was hot in Sanford, Sanford was the hottest was always Fort Bragg, Fayetteville
was always on the map was the hottest spot in North Carolina.
Yeah.
It was hot. ( ... )

How long were you in basic?( ... )
I think it was nine weeks.
I know it kind of varies.
Yeah, I think it was nine weeks.( ... )
Now once you completed basic where did they ...
Once we completed basic we, I was sent to Fort Belvoir, Virginia, that's the outskirts of
Washington, D.C.

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March 14, 2011
Ok.
I was, I got the, they call it aMOS, my job, the job was Generator Repairs. We stayed in Fort
Belvoir for about, that school lasted, two months. Two to Three Months, Generator Repairs,
showed us all how to operate generators, repair them. ( .. ) Then we was held over there, we all
knowed we was going to Vietnam. But they was a few that didn't. But, we was all prepared for it
and they held us there for, for probably two months deciding on when we was going to get, just a
doing chores, duties just waiting on to get our orders to go.
And, when did you get your orders fmally?
Oh, I don't know, I don't know the dates of it, but, I know I was in the military from 69' into 70'.
Then I got my orders to go, then the orders was for twelve months.
Right
You had to go for twelve months. ( ..) Yeah and I went to Benewah, Vietnam stayed there. And
everything was going pretty good there and I had opportunity, now I was justa I was justa, in for
two years( .. ) I just in for two years, And I had the opportunity to stay forty-four extra days,
cause when you left Vietnam, you had five months or less left they wouldn 't send you anywhere
else, they would just send you on home. So I was one of the few lucky ones. I stayed in the
military for nineteen months.
Just long enough ..
Just long enough to get my, they would not I was there for five months they would not send me
know where else. So I, I was lucky enough got extended over there for forty four days.
Ok. Now what was the area in Vietnam like that you were in?
I was on a Aviation unit. Like I said I was supposed to have been a generator operator. When
you go over there, you do what they tell you to do.

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Right.
It didn't, that didn't mean nothing. I was from a we'll maybe operating a generator, refueling

helicopters, and down to flying door gunners. You name it, we done it. You have a job title but,
that don't mean nothing.
Right. The United States Military basically says you know we need, so many guys for this and ...
It don't make know difference what you was trained for you was there.

Now that must have been pretty interesting being a chopper gunner what was that like?
We'll you was setting a chopper from a hundred feet in the air to five thousand feet in the air.
You had your legs swinging out behind a M-60. And it it it was it was interesting.
I'm sure you did a variety of things but, what was the primary purpose?
Our primary operate, was suppose to be operating a generator. But, really I did more refueling
helicopters than anything else.
Right.
When you actually went up in the chopper what did you usually do, did you just patrol or
support?
We use thing what we did is carrying after they was a battles, things they would just go out and
check. See what was, we was carrying the high ranking officers out.
OhOk.
The helicopters you got a pilot and copilot and a crew chief and door gunner. The crew chief and
door gunner served the same purpose. The door gunner took care of when you came back in,
door gunner took care of cleaning the weapons, make sure they had ammo. And the crew chief
took care of the helicopter. The pilot, copilot they was gone, they was gone to the airconditioning.

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March 14, 2011
Right.
So we was left there to do the work and so actually the they was only four people on the
helicopter. And we was carrying some of the high ranking officers out, couple of them.
Doing like recon, post battle reports and everything.
Yeah that was what we was doing. Just flying, Just flying, just checking, just checking on the
just making reports on whats what was happening.
Now, did you actually see any of the Viet-Cong or the North Vietnamese Army or ...
Oh yeah, oh yeah everybody did oh yeah.
Did you actually see combat with those troops?
Not that much. We kinda stayed on the backside, we didn't see that much of it.
Right.( ... )
Actually our unit what our unit done we took the Vietnamese soldiers out early in the morning
let them do the combat then we'll go back and pick'em up. Thats actually what our job was.
Right. What did you think ofthe South Vietnamese, did you think they were capable soldiers just
like me or ... what?
No, no, no, no, no no, they wundn't. They was smart people now, they was smart. They could
take almost nothing and make things out of it. ( .. )
So ..
We's throw away enough stuffthey can make they can make a, they can build anything out of it.
Right. And, really, and I guess the reason the United States really wanted them to go was
because you know it was their own backyard, they know the terrain ...
We'll Vietnamese, North Vietnamese moved in took over the South Vietnamese just like the the
Iraq moved in Kuwait.

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Right.
And thats what happened there we was moving the North Vietnamese back to the North.( .. )
Actually we was helping the South Vietnamese.
Did you think that was a good purpose for you to be there?
A waste of taxpayers money all the lives everybody, everybody will agree with me that it was a
waste of taxpayers money.
Now as a just a soldier did you think you know that you were doing good, doing a good service
for the country or did you think ...
No, no. We were not doing nothing for the United States we all was there cause we was told to
be to go there.
Right.
Even your top ranking officers and everybody. We just had orders to go there.
I suppose it was a big part of a fear of communism, expanding you know really the reason we
were there, because the North Vietnamese were communist and they were backed by the Soviet
Union and we did'nt want them to control South Vietnam, which was you know I guess
democratic.
We'll thats truth. When one, When one country starts taking over another country and start
running it the way they want to thats true, thats why we was wanting to get the South
Vietnamese back where they belong.
Did the South Vietnamese people were they happy to see you there or..
Oh yeah, oh yeah they they was they was
Where there, did you get alot of support from the civilians did ...
Oh yeah, we did we did actually we had civilians help us on base, they come on base and help us

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March 14, 2011
Ok, well lets see, were there any interactions between you and the South Vietnamese that really
stood out did you see them do something or anything that really jumps out in your memory.
No, the South Vietnamese they was a, they was quiet and they was calm, they was no way like
the American people.
Right.
They was no comparison, they's laid back. No hurry. Theysjust wundn't no way like them, you
can't compare them to the United States.
Right.
We all theys alot of difference there. The South Vietnamese they was good people now, they
wouldn't do anything to harm us.
We'll thats good. ( ..)I know theres alot of Viet, soldiers that served in that war really complained
about having to deal with the Viet-cong which, you know were civilians but they would really
strike at US forces and South Vietnamese forces
You were talk the Viet-cong that was more talking about the North Vietnamese.
Right.
What was hard now it was hard determining .. .
Right.
The North from South
Cause they ..
Thats where your hardest part is you didn't know they was a north you did know they was north
you didn't know they was south. You had to be careful.
Look the same, spoke them same language ...
Look, look a thats right, same langauge all looked the same.( .. )

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
So while you were there what was you know the food like? Were you we'll supplied, did you ...
Oh yeah, the military, military they keep you supplied first class. We We, the food was right
theys ok. That wasn't a problem.
We'll that was good.
Yeah Yeah, we was definitely we'll supplied now.( .. )
Did you get you know any leaves you know R and R at any point and time.
Yeah a I went to a a Taipei, Taiwan for a week.
Ok.
That was a, I know you've seen alot of a stuff you by here made in Taiwan.
Right.
I was there for a week. Taiwan is a nice little country now.

Ok.
It was it was interesting.
Where in Taiwan were you at?
Taipei, Taipei, Taiwan.
I'm not familiar with that country is that...
I'm not either.
Was that on the ...
I was, I was there for a week
Was that on the coast or..
It, It is on a coast. Yeah.

So, spend alot of time at the beach?
No, No, I actually never did see the beach. Actually where we was at was in the mountains.

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Ok.
Taipei, it was a little city called Taipei.
We'll what did you do while you were there in the city?
Party, what else everybody everybody done that. We'll we did alot of site seeing. They was alot
to see in the mountains there and they had alot of lot a they had alot of tourist there, actually it
was the military. And that was one a, when you go on they call it Rand R you had several places
you could pick from. That was one of them. And they was setup for the American troops to come
in and they had alot sight seeing.
We'll thats good. We'll what did you do to you know keep in touch with your family back here?
Wrote letters, I tried to write at least every other day.
Right. And I'm sure that they wrote often as well.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, they, family was we'll supportive and we write when we would write home,
we'd take the envelope just write up in the the a right-hand comer, where we'd put a stamp we'd
write in free. We didn ' t have to buy stamps, just write in free and ..
We'll thats good.
And, of course they'd see that the letters got delivered.
We'll did you receive any like a care packages from home?
Yeah, we, I's we's always constantly getting something from home. That was a real treat, when
when, you get a package especially Christmas. You, You, You, get some cookies or something
or other something baked from home. And wrap it, where it could be shipped it was that was
different. That was a real treat.
We'll thats good, thats good. Did you see any soldiers that say didn't you know receive anything
from home, that were you know kind of over there on their own.

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March 14, 2011
The, yeah you'd we'd see some yeah, they was always some around that didn't a really didn't
hardly get any letters or anything. Yes it was kind of kind of heartbreaking to see that but( .. )
We'll, I know that the military trys to keep troops entertained, try to keep them from being bored
cause thats you know a big part of being on duty some times, when your not fighting its just kind
of monotonous. Did you see you know say the USO or other. ..
Yeah, bout six weeks or two months after I was there, before I left here I went to a, I'm a race
fan , I went to Charlotte Motor Speedway, I think it was a the summer race. The world 600
largest race and during that race they was doing some filming. I think it was one of Burt
Reynolds movies. I can't think of the name of that movie, Speedway I think, is the name is the
name of the movie. I believe it was and actually they was filming some during the race and
before the race started they had some a cars on the track and with the crowds there they was
filming it.
Right.
And the biggest portion of that movie was filmed at Charlotte. And I was there at the race track
and here I go to Vietnam bout a month, six six weeks, no month two months after I was there
they got that movie over there and I couldn't believe it. I said I was there just a few months ago.
That, That was a great feeling. We's just sitting outside and the had a movie projector setting up
against a building, sitting out there on the ground watching a movie. But, it still was a movie
sitting on the ground didn ' t make no difference where you was sitting at still a movie.
Yeah, Yeah, how often did you get to see a film?
Once in a while they, they would get one in probably about every month.
Ok.
I mean thats, thats a real treat.

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Right. We'll did ...
Went down to, we's in a, sitting in a little bar, Saigon, Saigon is a large city. Saigon is a huge
city, but the city you, you, wouldn't see no tall sky scrapers, like you would here.
Right.
Largest building you'd see there wouldn't be over four or five stories high. And we's sitting at the
USO club and this lady come down and said, "the, oversees line is open, anybody wants to use it.
They's about four of us jumped up, "Yeah." So we talk and, oversees line was open so we called
home. And I talked a pretty good while, I know at the time momma and daddy said the power or
the phone bill for that one call was seventy some dollars. Anything in nineteen seventy that was I
don't know how long I's talking but, we took advantage of it.
Yeah, why not?( ... ) Did you make any, you know, friends with your fellow soldiers?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah we did everybody was everybody on base was close.
Everybody was, cause we all was there for the same purpose. They's one guy l's real close with I
met, once I left I didn't even see him.
Right.
He was New Jerseyan. But, there was one guy from Concord, he come up and seen me couple
times, since then after we's home.
We'll were those two guys basically your closest friends over there or....
No, I tell you what no we all was close.
So it didn't matter ...
It don't matter, everybody was close ...

Ok.

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March 14, 2011
And nobody, nobody fussed and argued. They didn't, that many, that many people together,
nobody, bickered nobody, fussed, nobody argued. We was there for a job and none of us wanted
to be there but, we was there and had to make the best of it. ( ...)
Did you keep like, a diary or anything?
No, no no no I don't think, I won't say nobody did ..
Yeah.
I real dare say nobody did.
Kind of an unusual thing ...
I made alot of pictures and the pictures only thing we can find was, film. I carried one of them
old instamatic camera's in my pocket bout' wore it out. I carried one of them things in my pocket
and only film I could buy was slides.
Right.
I had put on the slides, and some of the kids got them and tore them apart, I don't know, probably
have them refurbished. I don't know where they at now. Pictures I didn't care nothing about.
Yeah.( ... ) Lets see, has anything else that you would like to say about you experience in
Vietnam?
No, no it, it, it was, it was a real experience. Its, its something, I wouldn't take nothing for and
nobody, nobody round here, people here in the United States, never been there they just wundn't
believe it.
Right.
It, it it justa, you wouldn't believe its on Earth, way the people lived, you you just wouldn't
believe it.

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March 14, 2011
We'll I, the only thing I've seen, is I've seen you know pictures in books and the occasional film,
I have no way of knowing what it was like ...
All the pictures, films you see, some of them is close to it, none of them, none of them is exactly
accurate.
Right. We'll when did you finally, get sent home?

It was in, I think it was in November. It was in November of70'. Cause I was only away one
Christmas.( .. ) So I, I lucked out on time wise ..
Right.
So I stayed one year and fourty four days, over there.
So, you basically got an honorable discharge ..
Oh Yeah ...
Cause you were done with the service ..
Oh yeah, when we went in to basic training in Fort Bragg, course they's a big group of us we
talking about thousands.
Right.
We all, about the second day there, all they did no training, they's doing testing, they's testing see
how, see what we knowed. Thats what they was doing, they was testing us. The following day
they called us out by groups. This, this is actually what they done now, they was calling us out
by groups, like, twenty-five thirty to a group. They was telling us, you scored better then
anybody here. You got the top score. And all these thousand's peoples here you got the top score.
And you can go anywhere you want to in the United States. Will send you anywhere you want to
go, but, we got to get you signed up for another year. You wouldn't believe the people signing
up. I said, I know what this is about, nope I didn't.

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So ..
And those people signed up for another year and they got sent where they wanted to go for one
year. Got that one year up, they went to Vietnam.
Bet that makes people upset.
Oh yeah, oh yeah they was upset. This one little guy came in Vietnam over there he was all
upset, he was in Germany. Had it made in Germany, had his wife there, so as his years up, she
went home, he went to Vietnam.( ... )
We'll when you carne back home, you know what was one of the first things that you did? I
know there's, you've heard soldiers say you know the fust thing, I want to do when I get home is
go do such and such or get something to eat that...
That that that was, we'll you, you, you, always got your own places you like to eat at. All of you
got things you want to do. Just, you want to go out and see, see the boys you used, to see
everybody. Andjust get out and see what kind of changes is made in the country, but its just
good to be home.
I guarantee it. Did you go to school after you got home?

No, no no ...
Ok, so you went straight to work then ...
I went and come back, I went went to work.

And, I guess it was you and your daddy right?
Yeah, yeah yeah we, we we's building houses. See it wundn't, it probably wundn't about two
years after I was back we got married.
Ok.
See, I met Becky, at Fort Bragg ...

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Really?
Basic Training. Yeah ..
What was she doing there?
She was down there visiting another guy from Mount Airy, her boyfriend at the time. Thats
what, she was she was visiting him and thats where I met her at( ... )
We'll you know shortly there after lets see what four years or so the war ended did, how did you
feel about that?
I thought it was about time, about time bringing all them soldiers home. Shoulda ended a long
time ago.
Right.
Like I say, I won't, everybody, everybody says that was useless ...
Yeah ...
All those lives lost, all the money we spent over there, I still think it was useless.
Yeah it is hard to see what we you know gained from it, something thats tangible, you know
something you can grab aholt of, you know say we did this, and we gained this from it you
know.
We'll this, the the war in Kuwait, now when Iraq, overrun Kuwait, now see we had alot of
American people in Kuwait. I don't think we had anybody in Vietnam. I don't think so now. But,
we had a good reason to protect Kuwait..
Right.
So you thought that war more so than the one that you fought in was correct...

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Dr. Browning
March 14, 2011
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I really think we'll everybody right now thinks George Bush Sr. didn't finish
his job. But, he done what he said he was going to do, get the Kuwait out of, or get Iraq out of
Kuwait and he did.
Right.
So everybody, everybody agrees on that war, but, no Vietnam War I don't, I don't think find
hardly nobody agree on we, we should of been there.( ... )
What do you think about the war that we are in now, or I guess you could say Wars?
We'll I, I think thats something we don't have no choice, really I don't, I really think, I really
think they jumped the gun a little bit to quick.
Right.
But, I believe it should have been, I don't think we, I, the war probably, it had to be done, but, I
don't think, I really think, they ought to have settled it before we went over there. Start blowing
the place up.
Yeah, I should have been done through diplomacy ...
Yeah, I, I, I think that should have been first, I really think, George Bush all he was after was
Saddam Hussein.
He was after. ..
After Saddam ...
After blood to really ...
He was cause that man tried to kill his daddy, he tell, he said that on the news, so( ... )
We'll, we're almost finished here, I got just a few more questions. Did you join say a veteran's
organization?
No, no, no, thats no, when I got out of the military that was it.

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March 14, 2011
You wanted ...
Nothing, to do with it, I had done my part, that was it. But, closer I get in the sixties, I'm we'll
self-employed and self-insured and it was costing us a fortune, me and Becky both. It was
costing us a fortune, insurance sales, bout three years ago, I was about, I was six .. Fifty eight or
fifty nine I got on with the VA. Started going to the VA clinic where I could cancel my
insurance.
Right.
That has saved me a ton of money. I'm in with the VA right now.
And are you happy with ...
Oh yeah, they'll treat you, they'll treat you good. Their real good to me.
We'll thats good. Lets see ... ( .. .) We'll you said you'd seen a couple guys since then ...
One of the guys he had married my first cousin, Bobby Duncan. He lived in Mount Airy. Yeah
I've seen, me and him, he he came, he came and looked me up one day and we talked a little
while. And, like I say he was married to my first cousin and recently he's passed away.( .. )
Is there any other people that you've ...
Anybody else I've seen in Vietnam no.
Right.
No, No
Lost Contact...
Really when I left, I left and I think everybody felt the same way.
Yeah, but, I'm pretty sure that your satisfied with the service that you gave and ...
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah I was I done, I done, what they sent me over there to do.( .. )

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March 14, 2011
We'll is there anything that you learned over there or saw over there that effected your civilian
life in any way?
Make you appreciate the United States more, it will, it will make you appreciate the United
States. ( ... )
Oh, have you ever been to Washington and seen the Vietnam Veterans Memorial?
Oh yes, oh yeah, I have ...
I bet that was experience ...
We'll now see I was a, they, when I was at Fort Belvoir for my training, theys really not a part of
Washington D.C, I hadn't been through. At the time been through the White House. Becky and I
got married we went to Washington D.C on our honeymoon. I got her picture standing under the
breeze way of the front of the White House, where you see the cars pulls in ..
Yeah.
I got her picture standing out there, we's out there in front of it, and I made her picture in front of
the White House. Been through part of the White House. The Capital Building, I don't think
there is a corner in that building we hadn' t been through. We you off on the weekend, we toured
Washington.
We'll thats good.
So they's not a part of Wash .. the Capital, I don't think not a corner we hadn't seen and they's
been alot of changes made and we went up to, went up and seen the Vietnam Memorial. Yeah,
and I tell you its something else to see.
Yeah, thats something that I personally want to do is I want to go to Washington and I want to
see you know not just the monument or the Capital and all that but, I want to see all the war
memorials ...

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March 14, 2011
We'll we've, we've seen it all but, Vietnam Memorial it just a just this wall with all these guys
names on it. but, what gets you you look at all these names, you stand and look at them ...
Yeah and they just go on and on ...
Justa, just that many of them and the only one on that wall that I really know was Paul Mouse's
son, Barry Mouse I think that was his name. Earl Mouse was the brother..
Right.
I went to school with them, Wilkes County. And, I actually don't think you here from Surry
County really nobody's name from Surry County is on that wall. I don't think now, it might be.
Cause when you look the names up you look them up by the counties.
Right.
Under North Carolina you go down under the counties and thats the way you look the names up
and they tell you where they at. But, I've not seen the WWII Monument which, they gonna,
Veterans going up there now and seeing, I hadn't seen that. It wundn't built at the time.
I think thats a great thing ...
but, we went through the Washington Monument, Jefferson Monument, we we've seen it all.
We'll thats good. And I think personally thats a good thing that the triad is doing is taking you
know those North Carolina Veterans ...
That is good thing, I highly support that, you know Candy our daughter went on one of those
trips as a nurse.
Yeah.
She really enjoyed it.
I'd like to volunteer to go myself when I get out of school.

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March 14, 2011
Right. It would be, it would be a good thing. She really enjoyed it it was a stressful day, those
people, those people got to be in pretty good health to make that trip.
Yeah.
Some of them in wheelchairs, some ofthem not, but thats, thats, thats, a good thing.
Yeah. We'll is there anything that you'd like to add at all?
No, you leave I'll probably think of something or other but, not right now, not right now.
Alright, we'll I thank you and .. .
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